whats the least amount i can use for strength with some mass but little water?was thinking of 25mg day.all before workout

I posted in youre other thread as well. How much prop are you running, for how long and what are youre stats and goals?

NTG

I wouldn't drop the Test Prop completely. From what I have read here I am taking you are wanting to just drop the test and run Dbol? I would say keep the test and use 30mg of Dbol/day for 4-5 weeks.

Dbol for Prop doesn't seem like a logical substitution, but let us know
how you are using the Prop in your cycle and what you are using it for,
if cutting it with more oil doesn't help the pain there might be a better substitution than Dbol.

NTG wrote:I posted in youre other thread as well. How much prop are you running, for how long and what are youre stats and goals?

NTG

Bump NTG, give more info

i havent weighed myself recently but i guess around 180 at 5'5.not much bf except a little stomach.i didn't mean to drop all test and just do dbol.i'm using test e 500mg aweek.but was kickstarting with test prop 100mg eod.delts hurt after shot but not too bad.i do aot of physical labor and for some reason my quads are kiling me.i walk like i'm crippled and work is hard.went up 3 flights of stairs today 8 times.almost killed me.maybe i can try to shoot tri's,maybe glutes but cant see back there.dont know

If you have D-bol on hand then yeah 30ed would be good for a kickstart. If not youre what 2 weeks in? I wouldnt worry about it. If the prop is unbearible and cutting doesnt work then just keep running the E.

NTG

When I ran Prop, I was using 1cc EOD. I did this for about 2 weeks and my inject site would be very painful. I added 1cc of Sterile grapeseed oil into the mix and it fixed the problem and I never had any soreness again. I get a little pain from 1cc of Test/EQ each and i added .5 cc of Grape seed oil into the mix with them and get no pain.

i have some grapeseed from my last cycle.have cut it but not alot.used .5 cc grape to 1cc prop and .5cc test e.will try to cut 1 for 1 with the prop

Where can you get some ????