I understand the need for HCG in long cycles but you also don't want to run it at 250iu's e3d for the entire year....right? I should rather run it in periods to avoid desensetizing the leydig cells. Am I correct on this and how would one run hcg in periods throughout cycle? Hope "Visions" can clear this up for me.
Peace Oz

My protocol for hCG is designed around not desensitizing the leydig cells... I used studies to figure it out...

Just use 500iu 2 X a week and you'll be fine

Most studies use it eod and still there is just a little desensitizing .... Running nothing for periods of time is worse as this completely desensitizes them to LH with a possibility of never recovering 100%... the key to Recovery is never getting shut down

Thanks my friend. I'll start some hcg right away

what about just running a very low dose of test between heavy cycles?

Ozzy how are you doing?

dorian123 wrote:what about just running a very low dose of test between heavy cycles?

That's called a bridge and if you want to do that then you really don't need to run a PCT when you come off your "cycle" b/c staying on a low dose of test will shut you down.

Like what Visions said you'll want to run HCG throughout and depending on what consider a low dose, possibly an AI too.

For someone who chooses to do TRT with maybe 2 "cycles" per year or "blast and cruise", are there studies to show that the protocol you've described here visions works better than just doing the "standard taper" of HCG starting with 2500iu and treating every 5 days and doing this every couple of months?

The reason I ask is an MD friend of mine who does just this reccomends it and he does keep up with all of the studies as they become available.

soooooooooo now I'm curious.

I run cycles consistently 40 weeks a year and hcg during the entire cycles at 250iu Mon and Thurs and would not do it any other way brother

tiny

I have been running HCG in the method VISIONS describes for a couple of years. I usually run 2 cycles a year and TRT in between. 500iu 2x weekly works great.

TAZ

Tinymk wrote:I run cycles consistently 40 weeks a year and hcg during the entire cycles at 250iu Mon and Thurs and would not do it any other way brother

tiny

Good advice....

I also run V's protocol, and it works great. No problems here!

I like Swales protocol myself...

OK so another question. Considering d-bol and deca both may cause a rise in prolactin levels, and considering that is also a possibility with HCG (unless I'm misinformed) would 500iu 2x a week for life be a good idea while d-bol and deca are involved in a blast portion of the blast/cruise year?

Perhaps just using 250iu 2x a week for the last 10 weeks of a blast would be a safer choice then dropping it? Or even just doing 250iu 2x/week during the cruise so there is no other gyno causing substances added to the mix?

Sorry for so many possibly dumb questions, but I really want to learn here. There are plenty of other places to go for fun...but for serious education, I always come here.

Thanks, and sorry if I'm hijacking the OP's thread.