title says it all, ha ha.  I'm about three weeks in on a tbol cycle.  50 mg/day.  plus proviron.  didn't think I would expierience this, but I do have some hcg on hand.  never mixed, about 6 months old.  what should I do?  anything would help...

This has happened to me with every cycle. I dont know about the Hcg. I use Trubulis at about 3gm ED. This has help me alot.

anybody, suggestions?

I cannot imagine that a Tbol cycle alone would cause any shrinkage, especially at that dose and with 50mg a day of Proviron. Are you sure? It usually takes healthy doses of Tets, Deca, etc. before you start to notice any shrinkage.

IMHO, hcg is not needed for a tbol only cycle.

My genitalia swells...yours shrinks...both go back when off. I'd save that hcg for afterwards (depending on your age). Don't panic! HCG can cause gyno really fast. It's quite normal. This is suprising since it's such a mild cycle. Expect the same on any other cycle.

One thing we gotta remember is that everyone reacts differently... It is definately an indication of natural production slowing or shutting down... I personnally rarely shrink... Atrophied testicles are harder to bring back for PCT but this is normal while doing a cycle. Atrophied or not during a normal cycle natural production stops.

You may have read that some steroids dont shut you down... well thats wrong... at a dose high enough to give you the results we want they all will even primo.

You have some things going on with this cycle...
#1) Either the Tbol is shutting you down
#2) Proviron is shutting you down... Remember your normal free test is only 2% of what is available... if you take a high dose of Proviron it can quickly increase your free test making your testicles shrink because production quickly stops because of higher than normal Test levels which increases estrogen which tells the body to stop production...
#3) A combination of both #1 and #2

Eventually if your natural production stops the proviron will have deminishing affects... as in you should notice you dont get horny when you take it... When this happens the proviron is a waste. Without Test Proviron is just an estrogen blocker and without Test you won't need an estrogen blocker... so it will be a waste.

I suspect you are doing this cycle to minimize side effect like bloating and fat gain, gyno ect...



So here are some choices...

#1) If the Proviron is still making you horny then you still have Test in you... you could stick with what you are doing because the shutdown isn't that much and it's really normal while doing a cycle it just makes PCT a little harder to jump start but with this cycle it shouldn't be bad at all...

#2) take 500iu hcg twice a week... this will help with your atrophy... as DG said it is possible to spike your Test level with the HCG and cause gyno but I don't think you will have a problem unless you are prone to getting it easy.... and 500ius is plenty and it's not a high dose at all so you shouldn't see any negatives...

#3) If the Proviron isn't making you horny right now... I would drop it... and Take 150mg Test ew because your natural test level is too low for the proviron to work... this is a dose that will put you in the high normal range... it's what is called a TRT dose... Testosterone Replacement Therapy... At this dose of TRT you wont get side effects from the Test like bloating, fat gain, ect.... and you won't need the Proviron unless you want to use it to make yourself really horny for sex...

#4) If Proviron was the reason for the shutdown then you may have been able to do just the Tbol only but I personnally wouldn't reccomment it because I believe it will shut you down some...

I reccommend #3... thats how I do my cycles... I keep my Test level in the normal range then add in a non aromatizing steroid like Tren... Tbol would be good too...

If you don't have any test laying around then I would do #2 and this will raise your test level making the Proviron work if it isn't right now and should stop the atrophy...

just my thoughts...

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I'm wondering if it could be psycological. Since testicular shrinkage may be a side effect we are always looking to see if there is shrinkage and after a week or two of checking we start thinking there is shrinkage when there isn't.

I know I have done it. I will think the boys have shrunk when they haven't changed size at all.

bryan27 wrote:I'm wondering if it could be psycological. Since testicular shrinkage may be a side effect we are always looking to see if there is shrinkage and after a week or two of checking we start thinking there is shrinkage when there isn't.

I know I have done it. I will think the boys have shrunk when they haven't changed size at all.

Well if this is the case please let me tell you from a girls perspective...we probably ain't gonna notice and it's all good cause the important part don't shrink and it's more often ready and raring to go (the lasting power isn't a bad thing either)...ok do I need to go on here? lol

i am three weeks into my test e and tren e cycle and i think my balls have swollen some.

damn sack looks like a crown royal bag

maverik wrote:i am three weeks into my test e and tren e cycle and i think my balls have swollen some.

damn sack looks like a crown royal bag

Sure hope they aren't that color! :0)