Hi guys!
I’m 42. I’ve never used steroids and want to try. I decided be careful at first time and try some mild oral. I’ve chosen Turanabol and ordered it. It is on way now.
At the time of waiting I’ve visited many forums to study this theme closer.
Now I a bit confused because most of gear users consider that is waste of money, and better way it’s combination of Turanabol with any androgen, preferable injectable.
Minimum of side effects is more important for me, than mass or strength. Of course I want to get them, but I’m ready to be patient and get them with small steps.
Which is the best combination in your opinion? For example: Boldabol+Turanabol is O.K? I’ll be glad to get your opinions.
Regards.
Freshman

Well if test is out then yes Eq would be good, you could also use primo, but your won't gain as much.

test is best and if you take the neccassary precautions sides shouldnt be a problem

O.K guys, maybe some examples. Test may be considered too.I’d like to add, that it supposed be short cycle (4-6 weeks)

Freshman wrote:O.K guys, maybe some examples. Test may be considered too.I’d like to add, that it supposed be short cycle (4-6 weeks)

Freshman,

Let me apologize ahead of time before we can answer
any of your questions, we need a little more info from
you other than your age.
What are your stats and training history?
Why only a 4-6 week cycle?
Also, what kind of sides are your worried about?
How much are you willing to spend?
Do you plan on post cycle therapy?(I didn't notice whether
or not this owas mentioned in your previous post.)
Lastly, are you willing to inject yourself everyday of the cycle?

My reasons are this...
For such a short cycle faster acting testosterones such as
test propionate are best.However, prop can be painful and
for your first cycle may be tough to inject yourself everyday.
Longer cycles of 8-10 weeks for a beginner cycle would be
best because with a longer ester injectable you only have to
inject 2x's per week.The next short ester compound would be
nandrolone phenylpropionate at around 300-400mg/wk.The
problem with this is that without extra testosterone, you'll probably
end up impotent throughout the duration of your cycle.At 42
years old recovery may be a bit difficult without hcg and nolvadex.

peace,
xixer

Couldnt have put it better xixer

So. I’m 42. Three years in gym.172sm, 78kg.
Why only a 4-6 week cycle?-I read that this is the best way for beginner to keep that was be gained, to minimize possible side effects, to try different gears.
Also, what kind of sides are your worried about? Liver, baldness (I’ve thin and weak hair), prostate problems, high BP (actually I’ve 140/90).
How much are you willing to spend? - It depends. It’s my first time and depending on results I’ll decide to continue or not.
Now I’ve got:
1. Turanabol (not yet , but on the way) 100 tabs 10mg
2. Liv 52
3. Perfect Cycle from Anabolic Perfect(N-Acetyl-Cysteine - 1000 mg
Milk Thistle - 600 mg
R[+]-Alpha Lipoic Acid - 200 mg)

I’m going also to order Nolvadex, Clomid and Propecia and smth., that you will recommend.
Lastly, are you willing to inject yourself everyday of the cycle? - Yes I’m ready ( Am I right, this can be ed, eod and even once per week?)

test prop,turnibol is a good one that should yeild decent gains..prop should be shot EOD...i would go with a eq,eth, turnibol cycle for you to be honest or deca,eth turnibol..those are classics,simple and great gains yeilders

Freshman wrote:So. I’m 42. Three years in gym.172sm, 78kg.
Why only a 4-6 week cycle?-I read that this is the best way for beginner to keep that was be gained, to minimize possible side effects, to try different gears.
Also, what kind of sides are your worried about? Liver, baldness (I’ve thin and weak hair), prostate problems, high BP (actually I’ve 140/90).
How much are you willing to spend? - It depends. It’s my first time and depending on results I’ll decide to continue or not.
Now I’ve got:
1. Turanabol (not yet , but on the way) 100 tabs 10mg
2. Liv 52
3. Perfect Cycle from Anabolic Perfect(N-Acetyl-Cysteine - 1000 mg
Milk Thistle - 600 mg
R[+]-Alpha Lipoic Acid - 200 mg)

I’m going also to order Nolvadex, Clomid and Propecia and smth., that you will recommend.
Lastly, are you willing to inject yourself everyday of the cycle? - Yes I’m ready ( Am I right, this can be ed, eod and even once per week?)

Good Evening Bro,

Ah, thank you for providing us with more info.Judging from your
cycle it appears that you're concerned with androgenic side effects
(male pattern baldness, prostate hypertrophy, and high bp).Given
your age you'll most likely be susceptible to highly androgenic
substances and especially dht.

Your choice for turanabol is a good one. With a good clean diet and
training regimen you'll get some pretty nice lean gains.However, the
compound is used with multiple short cycles over longer periods of time.
Somewhere on here there was an article about how the east germans
cycled there compounds...I'll have to look for it.The problem was that
the dosages are really low for bodybuilding purposes.


Something you may want to consider is first getting your blood and
testosterone levels checked by a doctor PRIOR to starting your cycle.
Make sure that everything is good and healthy.Next, ask your doctor
if male hormone replacement therapy is an option for you.If he says
yes,you'll have the opportunity to get a hold of test cypionate or
enanthate, legally. Chances are if you are a candidate for MHRT then
you'll have a prescription for 10ml/200mg at a time.(The average male
produces the equiv of 70mg testosterone/wk)Then after 10 weeks @
200mg/wk you renew your script.Then get a second 10ml amp from
gxgr so you can run a proper cycle. Running a replacement therapy dose
of test will stave off most of the shutdown, and you'll reap the benefits
of the turnabol.Oh, and what's worth mentioning, for mhrt, a low dose
of test is good, healthy, and most of the sides you are worried about
could potentially be controlled. If he says No, then politely smile and nod
becauseyou're going to get the rest of your gear hear anyway.=)

Back on tangent...potentially, if androgenic sides are your main concern
you'll want to stay away from androgenic type compounds.This makes
nandrolone and primobolan good candidates.Side note:primo is a
derivitive of dht, but is incredibly mild on the system and is great for
holding on to lean mass and changing your body composition.But for
a 4-6 week cycle you may not get the best out of the compounds.From
my experience you'll need at least 8 wks with primo (along with a bit
of test) and closer to 12 weeks with nandrolone (with test, cabergoline,
proviron, and hcg).Test Prop and Nandrolone Phenylprop are good
candidates for 4-6 week cycles.At your age you could run lower doses,
the faster ester will minimize the sides, however, you're looking at ed to
eod injecting as well as smaller gains.Even though the gains are smaller
mostly due to less water retention, they will be much more manageable.
Personally, I think beginner cycles should be done with long ester test
and at least 8 weeks long.

Here's an example of a prop cycle with tbol:
Wks 1-4:Test Prop @ 75-100mg eod
Wks 1-4:Tbol @ 40mg/day (2 doses)
Wks 5-8:Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 5 + 6
30mg/day wk 7
20mg/day wk 8

A cycle with Nandrolone Phenyl Prop is a bit different you'll need
cabergoline to minimize prolactin activity and small amounts of
HCG to ward off testicular shutdown by stimulating LH.Theoretically,
since nanpp is such a fast ester you shouldn't get the progesterone
and prolactin type sides, while nandrolone as a compound is less
likely to produce androgenic sides as well.The downside is that the
risk of shutdown is high because of the intrinsic properties of
progesterone as an estrogen agonist hence the need for HCG.Since
tbol doesn't aromatise, you shouldn't have too much of a problem here,
but running some proviron would always be helpful to keep your libido
healthy...though keep in mind it's a dht type compound some male
pattern baldness may be an issue of concern.Though, in such light
amounts I doubt it would be harmful.Here's the cycle :

Wks 1-4:NanPP @ 100mg eod
Wks 1-4:Tbol @ 40mg/day (2 doses)
Wks 1-4:Cabergoline @ .5mg eod
Wks 1-4:HCG @ 150-300 iu/wk
Wks 5-8:Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 5 + 6
30mg/day wk 7
20mg/day wk 8

Another good source would be talk to Visions, he's on this board and
very knowledgeable about HRT.
If you have any more questions, just fire away.

Peace,
xixer

Thank you very much bro's!
xixer I'm going to follow all your instructions.
I'm going reconsider my first cycle to 8 weeks as well.
Couple questions:
Here's an example of a prop cycle with tbol:
Wks 1-4: Test Prop @ 75-100mg eod
Wks 1-4: Tbol @ 40mg/day (2 doses)
Wks 5-8: Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 5 + 6
30mg/day wk 7
20mg/day wk 8
Should'nt I use Nolvadex from first day of cycle?
Should I use clomid?
Can you please give me an example with Equipoise, and one more with Primobolan.
Thank you in advance.
To irishpride0769 sorry my stupidity , what is eth?
Thanks again to everybody, I appreciate your patience.

Freshman wrote:Thank you very much bro's!
xixer I'm going to follow all your instructions.
I'm going reconsider my first cycle to 8 weeks as well.
Couple questions:
Here's an example of a prop cycle with tbol:
Wks 1-4: Test Prop @ 75-100mg eod
Wks 1-4: Tbol @ 40mg/day (2 doses)
Wks 5-8: Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 5 + 6
30mg/day wk 7
20mg/day wk 8
Should'nt I use Nolvadex from first day of cycle?
Should I use clomid?
Can you please give me an example with Equipoise, and one more with Primobolan.
Thank you in advance.
To irishpride0769 sorry my stupidity , what iseth?
Thanks again to everybody, I appreciate your patience.

Good Morning Bro,

I think there might be a little bit of confusion.The cycle with
prop and tbol was a four week gear cycle with four weeks post
cycle making a the cycle life eight weeks.

If you were to run an 8 week cycle of gear with long esters, two
weeks to wait for the compound to clear, and four weeks of post
cycle therapy you will be in effect running a cycle life of fourteen
weeks.Just to be sure that you know...in general when most
people refer to length of a cycle they usually talk about the length
of the "gear cycle" not the full cycle life (i.e. gear + time between
pct + pct)

I believe that IrishPride was referring to testosterone enanthate.
Enan, eth, enth...are usually shortened versions of enanthate.
By far, running testosterone in at least hormone replacement
dosages will make a world of difference when stacked with other
compounds like EQ, Deca, or Primo.

For such a small cycle such as the prop and tbol cycle you probably
won't need to worry about running the nolva from day 1.It's good
to have extra nolva on hand just in case you get some sides from
aromatisation of testosterone as well as enough for post cycle therapy.
Running prop at 400mg/wk for 4 weeks along with tbol shouldn't yield
enough estrogen for terrible sides...the prop is in and out of the system
really quick and the tbol doesn't aromatise at all.That being said, if
there is the smallest chance for it, it's best to be safe than sorry and
always have nolva on hand.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of clomid.I'm susceptible to a lot of
side effects from clomid...namely mood swings and night blindness.
Some guys, aside from the sides that I got, even get all emotional.
It was hell a funny, a buddy of mine just started his clomid and while
a bunch of us were watching some football, for some reason he
started getting all teary eyed. So, since we've all experienced it at
one time and all switched to nolva 'cept for him, we gave him a hard
time about and made him sit by himself.LOL.Course, he was the
one sitting by all the beers so in hindsight it probably wasn't a good
idea to piss himoff.

I've run an 8 week cycle of primo and dbol as well as an 8 week
cycle of primo and var. Both of them were designed to basically
hold on to lean muscle tissue while I was cutting.The nice surprise
was that I gained an extra 3-5 or so pounds while at the same time
dropping my bodyfat%.My libido wasn't affected to badly due in part
to running high doses of tribulus as well as proviron towards the
end of the cycle.I must note that I've also ran test/primo/dbol...that
was by far the better cycle of the two.

Here's what the primo/dbol cycle looked like:
You would substitue dbol for your tbol.Ideally, this cycle is
great with at least 300mg of test/wk which is just a tad
higher than typical hrt dosages.

My caloric intake was around 3200-3500 cal
with ratios at around 40pro 30carb 30 fat
never missed a meal...and got in a lot of
pasteurized egg whites and clean food.
Oh, and tons of water.

Wk 1-8 Primo @ 400mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Dbol@ 40mg/day(2 doses/day)
Wk 7-10 Proviron @ 50mg/day
Wk 11-14 Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 11+12
30mg/day wk 13
20mg/day wk 14
Wk 12-14Clen ramp up and down
Wk 15-18ECA Stack

During pct I also ran some clen in a pyramid fashion for
21 days with a peak at 100mcg.
From this cycle I got pretty good results considering it
was a cutter.I started at around 190lb/14%bf (163lb lbm)
and ended at 188lb/10%bf (169lb lbm).While my overall
weight went down, my lbm accrual went up and did wonders
for "appearance".My trainer at the time thought I did alright.
=)However, the cycle didn't produce much
in terms of strength.I saw my strength gains go up while
I was on the orals at the beginning of my cycle and it later
diminshed when I stopped the dbol.On the flip side, for lifts
where I could perform only 6-8 reps, I was able to put out
a solid 10 sometimes 2-3 more reps with assistance.

I've also run EQ by itself as well as with an dbol.For me,
I didn't get shutdown at all.My brother in law, got shutdown
pretty hard.Overall, both times I ran this cycle to get an
idea of what my tolerances were.I ran the EQ cycle by itself
for 8 weeks, then the EQ/dbol/var cycle for 12 weeks.

Wk 1-12 EQ @ 400mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Dbol@ 40mg/day(2 doses/day)
Wk 9-14 Anavar @ 50mg/day
Wk 15-18 Nolvadex 40mg/day wk 15+16
30mg/day wk 17
20mg/day wk 18

I can't find my binder where I logged my progress, but I think
on this cycle only gained about 9lbs after PCT.Which was a
pity because on my test cycles I would gain much much more
and still maintain more after the completion of the cycle life.

Hope this could be helpful.

Peace,
xixer

That was great, man!
Thanks a lot, and I think not only from me.
My respect.
Freshman.

Freshman wrote:That was great, man!
Thanks a lot, and I think not only from me.
My respect.
Freshman.

No worries bro, I'm glad I could be helpful.
Best of luck with your cycle.

Peace,
xixer