As far as I know there are:

1. High level of estradiol (due to the test. conversion into estrogen) if I am not right, please explain the truth?
2. Not using HCG during steroid cycle
3. Too high level of Nolvadex during steroid cycle which can affect sex drive by blocking estrogen receptors in the brain.
4. any other?

There are many reasons that could lead to this problem but you need to understand everyone is different. What exactly are you getting at? Are you trying to cover all the bases so that it doesnt happen to you? If so post your proposed cycle and we can help direct you to keep any issues like this from happeneing.

Bump to Rulez I would like to know more about your initial post.

I do not have any problems. I just think of steroids in future and I've heard about these kind of problems.
Let's deeply analyze this problem - causes and solutions to them...

Test made my sex drive great my girl is loving it!!!

The main cause of reduced sex drive while on cycle is high levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG). Excess estrogen can raise SHBG significantly and estrogen can bind to the androgen receptor blocking free-test from binding. Free test is what makes you horny. This is why it is important to keep estrogens in the normal range while on cycle. This can be done by using an A.I. like aromasin, letro or arimidex.

Thank you for your answers, and I have a few more questions:

Can we use together with A.I. (Arimidex) estrogen antagonist Nolvadex and could this lead to decreased sex drive?
I know some people stack these two products together. Why? For what purpose?

What is the link between HCG and SHBG?

What is the corelation between the level of estradiol and decreased sex drive?

Is this true: "An aromatase inhibitor can drive estradiol too low, causing a loss of sex drive. When estradiol is too low, testosterone many even increase blood pressure rather than reduce blood pressure."?

I have always had a reduced drive during cycles until i added arimidex.

Now my sex drive is dangerously high! I also dont suffer from lethargy anymore.

3 cycles using test,, and all 3 have me humping like a bunny rabbit... if proper anit-estrogens are followed per cycle,,,sex drive isnt really an issue..

gustavo77 wrote:The main cause of reduced sex drive while on cycle is high levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG). Excess estrogen can raise SHBG significantly and estrogen can bind to the androgen receptor blocking free-test from binding. Free test is what makes you horny. This is why it is important to keep estrogens in the normal range while on cycle. This can be done by using an A.I. like aromasin, letro or arimidex.

Damn I think you read my mind when you wrote that... hehehe


LOL,,,, I think your thread is a good one as alot of guys don't understand why their sex drive drops off even while on alot of test...

lol wrote:Thank you for your answers, and I have a few more questions:

Can we use together with A.I. (Arimidex) estrogen antagonist Nolvadex and could this lead to decreased sex drive?
I know some people stack these two products together. Why? For what purpose?

What is the link between HCG and SHBG?

The only reason I can think of to use Nolva and an AI together is if you didn't use either and got gyno and you wanted to stop it... Using both together would be benificial... the Nolva would block the estrogen already made then the AI would prevent the formation of estrogen and then when the gyno stops you would stop the Nolva and continue the AI...

While I'm on this subject in the past you would hear alot of guys saying they got gyno during PCT... I believe it usually happen when someone uses and AI like Arimidex or Letrozole then stops using them for PCT then they switch to Nolva... During the cycle the AI was keeping the estrogen usually in the normal range but the Test is higher then normal... then they stopped and the excess Test is then converted causing a rebound of estrogen during PCT and Nolva isn't good enough to block it all... this is another reason why its best to continue the AI through PCT...

Whats the link between HCG and SHBG... the only thing I can think of is you'll have higher levels of estrogen during HCG use as the test that is produced is later converted into estrogen... but a smart person would already be using an AI during the cycle preventing this...

lol wrote:What is the corelation between the level of estradiol and decreased sex drive?

Is this true: "An aromatase inhibitor can drive estradiol too low, causing a loss of sex drive. When estradiol is too low, testosterone many even increase blood pressure rather than reduce blood pressure."?

The corelation between estradiol and decreased sex drive Gustavo already pointed out---Excess Estrogen can fill Androgen receptors making them useless... As estrogen rises so does SHBG

Even while not on a cycle and you take an AI... the use of an AI will first lower estrogen and that will trigger an increase in Testosterone which in return will convert to more estrogen and then the level balances out to be in the low normal range... Now a person on a cycle will be lucky to be able to lower estrogens low enough to be in the normal range... Taking an AI will not lower your sex drive... it will increase during the cycle.... Not sure what you mean in the last part of your question...

Love this thread... I think your questions are good and it can help guys understand alot of whats happening when on cycle...

I have clinical studies to point out all the things being said... one day when I get a wild hair I'll post up all the clinical studies I have found relivant to bodybuilding... it will take alot of my time so don't expect right this moment cause I will have to explain every study so the average guy can understand...

T-Unit wrote:I have always had a reduced drive during cycles until i added arimidex.

Now my sex drive is dangerously high! I also dont suffer from lethargy anymore.

See this is first hand experience... At the time you first took Arimidex were you aware that it would solve your low libido problem or were you trying to fix another problem and you got the benifit of a sex drive again? So was it luck or did someone help you...

Visions wrote:Damn I think you read my mind when you wrote that... hehehe


LOL,,,, I think your thread is a good one as alot of guys don't understand why their sex drive drops off even while on alot of test...

That's because it did come from your mind bro, you taught me this..lol and I thank you and my girfriend thanks you also..lol.

visions.. all I've got to say is "your the man" You always have useful info

bigmikenj wrote:Test made my sex drive great my girl is loving it!!!

It will make you a sex machine at first, but after years of usage, it almost takes being oncycle to get back to normal.

I shut down quick as well but i take 25mg/2 times daily of proviron and I love it. it keeps my boys going and makes me horney as hell!
cheers

I'm always horny and I've never noticed any change in my sex drive whether I'm on or off cycle. Except for when I use Tbol I suppose, and all that does is make me even hornier.

Can anyone tell me why unless I am @ least doubling my test over deca after 3 wks on deca my life sucks. Which is why I do shy away

Visions wrote:See this is first hand experience... At the time you first took Arimidex were you aware that it would solve your low libido problem or were you trying to fix another problem and you got the benifit of a sex drive again? So was it luck or did someone help you...

Visions bro, my only problem with AI is the increase LDL. I already have a family problem with high LDL and when on AI it shoots up even when I am on meds.

I nonce ran only proviron for bout 12 weeks and it also increased my LDL badly, even my doc could not explain till i found a study on pubmed which explained it a bit. In 12 week study proviron increased LDL with 43%.

Anyway now with AI you LDL gets a boost from hell, so what would you recommend shorter cycles with AI or longer ones with low test and nolva ?

RoidRod wrote:Visions bro, my only problem with AI is the increase LDL. I already have a family problem with high LDL and when on AI it shoots up even when I am on meds.

I nonce ran only proviron for bout 12 weeks and it also increased my LDL badly, even my doc could not explain till i found a study on pubmed which explained it a bit. In 12 week study proviron increased LDL with 43%.

Anyway now with AI you LDL gets a boost from hell, so what would you recommend shorter cycles with AI or longer ones with low test and nolva ?

Aromasin is what you want to use... it doesn't affect cholesterol

I'm on my very first cycle, deca/sustanon/propiron.......It seems i have a constant erection.......and it needs attention OFTEN! LOL

I'll tell y'all one thing that is straight-up true. Deca Dick is for real!!!!! My very first juicing experiment was back in like the year 1835 or so. I ordered a sh*tload of Deca and did nothing but Deca. I couldn't get a hard on worth sh*t. I ordered some Viagra (they had a prehistoric version back then) and it helped a little. But nothing was worse than having 2 ex girlfriends talking about me at a club ("Does his dick not get hard for you too?")

Moral of this story: never EVER take Deca alone.

Hugh G. Rection wrote:My very first juicing experiment was back in like the year 1835 or so..

Damn you're old... bet the only juice you use now is Prune... lol.....