If taking Tren Alone at 200mg/wk would i need to take something for anti-estrogen conversion during cycle or just pct??

Unless you are different than most guys---Tren is going to shut your HPTA down hard and quick... You need Testosterone to function normally... If you want to keep your testosterone in the normal range you will need at least 200mg Test ew... Even at this amount you may not get it up too quick...

Anti E is used for aromatizing steroids like test

Tren and deca cause prolactin gyno

If you have tried deca in the past and got even the least bit of gyno tren will be worse and will give you prolactin gyno and it's very painful... To prevent this you would need Dostinex (Cabergoline) .5mg e4d

Also with Tren,,, so that you don't completely shut down so that you can quickly recover when you come off of it you will want to use 500iu HCG twice a week... like on Monday and Thursday throughout the cycle

To sum up:
At least 200mg test ew
.5mg Dostinex (Cabergoline) e4d
500iu HCG twice a week

You may need an Anti E if you are prone to Estrogen gyno... personally @ 200mg test I need an Anti E

Good advice Visions, I will add that many find that they should keep the test higher than the tren to keep the sides lower.

Bump to Visions and EM both are right.

later

sgammons

Yea EM,,, From his question I figured he was thinking of running the cycle without test....

Scrappin,,, some of the side effects of not using test when the Tren shuts you down hard could be depression, fatigue, Sexual dysfunction,,,, also without any test you won't have estrogen and you need that for many functions too...

Like I said,,, 200mg would be the minimum amount of test to use every week but you may want more to feel normal,,, if you are like me I like to keep my test level in the normal range... so I like to only use what makes me feel normal.... With my Tren cycle I will be starting tomorrow I will be running test @ 200mg ew until I don't feel normal... as in normal I mean no depression and no fatigue and no sexual problems,,,, I will adjust my test dosage as needed and most likely I will need to up it...

alright, thanks alot for the help.

could you use an oral, eg. Dbol, instead of test with tren and still be normal?

This is how I see it... IMO

1st--- the 1/2 life would make your blood levels like roller coster ride from hell
2nd--- 4 weeks would be the max cycle length unless you don't want your liver... hehehe
3rd---why get bloated
4th--- after 4 weeks you killed your natural test and now you would have to stop without any gains except bloat from the dbol

If you want to feel normal without using alot of test try what I am doing...

Right now I am taking 50mg Tren Depot ed and only 200mg Test E ew and I feel normal... Since I know I get prolactin gyno I am also taking .5mg Dostinex e4d.. To keep my natural production from completely shutting down I am also taking 500iu HCG on Mondays and Thursdays.... This protocal seams to be working very well for me mentally and physically...

Hope this helps.... anyone else have an opinion?

Visions