Hello guys, how are you all?

Just need some advice on my next cycle if you have time to help, please!

A bit of background info to start us off!

Previous cycle: 6 weeks, prop 100 / Tren Acc 100 (mg) eod
Previous diet: Calorie deficit

Next cycle:

Planned duration: 12 weeks
Cycle number: 4
Planned diet: Calorie excess (clean bulk)
Planned Cycle:
Test cypionate (whats the other name for it on this site?) - 500 - 600 mg ew
primobolan - 500 - 600 mg ew


or instead of primo, what about masteron? Not sure what dosage and lenth of this though.

No orals please.

PCT: clomid + HCG
Gyno experience: None, no experience of symptons on previous cycles.

If you can help me, Id very much appreciate your time, thank you.

good cicle
for me is good add some drol or diana but no orals..BP has also diana inj..with a clean diet,you can do two days with more calories and one day with less calories...

FYI Jaggro and Federico, if you do not want orals due to liver toxicity the dbol, whether oral or injectable, has the same affect on the liver due to its chemical make up.

show me some 'set in stone' evidence that injectables are toxic to the liver.

only personal experiences
in the past i only use inj products aa17 (winny) and the end of the cicle i have liver values only few alterate
last cicle i was use a good amount of aa17 oral and tren and i have really high values at the end of cicle!

JaggroStone wrote:show me some 'set in stone' evidence that injectables are toxic to the liver.

"averbol" or any other injectable D-bol is 17AA its just pu into in injectable form. Its different than an esterd injectable.

Methandienone- "d-bol"
17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methylandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one.

This is straight from england and is posted in the profile section.

Pharmaceutical Name: Averbol

Chemical name: Methandienone

Chem. Abstr. Name: 17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methylandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one

Molecular Structure: C20H28O2

Molecular Weight: 300.4

Product Description
Averbol is an injectable form of methandienone. Methandienone iis a derivative of testosterone and has a very strong anabolic and androgenic effect. It has a great effect on protein metabolism and promotes protein synthesis. This effect manifests itself in by creating a positive nitrogen balance, supporting the builidup of protein and, thus, skeletal muscle mass. Methandienone also induces an improved sense of well-being.

Indications:
Appetite stimulation, increased muscle mass, increased bone density, increased red blood cells.
Presentation:
Each 20 ml multidose vial contains 25 mg per ml and comes with a red coloured top.



Do some research before you call someone out bud.
NTG

Okay fair enough, but thats a relatively new injectable and I think, I think only BP make it? That true?????

Tried to look for some experiments with using but just came up with BP gear.

What others then are liver toxic and made by different labs?

Anyways, I have a few other cycles jotted down, what do you think of these?

Test enan @ 750mg ew
Deca @ 400 ew

or

Test enan @ 750mg ew
Eq @ 800 mg ew

or

Sust @ ????
Tren enan @ ????
(Still doing more reading)

I will run this for 10 weeks, any suggestions?

Any injecible D-bol is of the same compasition and is liver toxic.
NTG